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Absurdity of Ohio VAM

The criticism of the Plain Dealer and NPRs Value-added series is beginning to pile up. Via Diane Ravitch's site

Fifty years ago Johns Hopkins sociologist James S. Coleman documented the most powerful factors affecting student achievement: the socio-economic background of children’s families and the concentration of poverty in particular communities.

Two years ago Duke economist Helen Ladd wrote: “Study after study has demonstrated that children from disadvantaged households perform less well in school on average than those from more advantaged households. This empirical relationship shows up in studies using observations at the levels of the individual student, the school, the district, the state, the country.”

A year and a half ago Stanford educational sociologist Sean Reardon documented that while in 1970, only 15 percent of families lived in neighborhoods classified as affluent or poor, by 2007, 31 percent of families lived in such neighborhoods. Reardon documents a simultaneous jump in an income-inequality achievement gap between very wealthy and very poor children, a gap that is 30-40 percent wider among children born in 2001 than those born in 1975.

Surely we can agree that poverty should not be an excuse. But blaming school teachers for gaps in scores on standardized tests, as the Plain Dealer does in “Grading the Teachers,” is not only cruel to the teachers singled out when scores are published—for example, Euclid’s Maria Plecnik, a previously highly rated teacher who will leave the profession this year— but foolish as public policy. Who will want to teach in our poorest communities with the system of Value-Added Measures that the Plain Dealer acknowledges, “do not account for the socioeconomic backgrounds of students as they do in some other states.”

Massachusetts Secretary of Education Paul Reville critiques the logic of those who would blame school teachers: “Some want to make the absurd argument that the reason low-income youngsters do poorly is that, mysteriously, all the incompetency in our education systems has coincidentally aggregated around low income students. In this view, all we need to do is scrub the system of incompetency and all will be well.”

Blaming teachers certainly gets the rest of us off the hook. If we can just fire teachers, we won’t have to fund schools equitably or adequately. We won’t have to address the impact of economic and racial segregation or the shocking 22 percent child poverty rate in America, the highest in the industrialized world.

Ms. Jan Resseger
Minister for Public Education and Witness
Justice and Witness Ministries
700 Prospect, Cleveland, Ohio 44115
216-736-3711

Battelle Blasts Papers decision

From our mailbag, Battelle for Kids condemns the Plain Dealer and NPR's decision to publish teacher's value-added scores, calling it "the poster child for name, blame, and shame and the antithesis of our approach to using value-added data"

To: All SOAR districts
From: Jim Mahoney and Bobby Moore
Date: June 17, 2013

Yesterday, a three-part series on value-added was launched by The Cleveland Plain Dealer and State Impact Ohio. It includes both articles and radio segments specific to value-added analysis as a measure of teacher effectiveness. Highlighted in the articles is a link to a database of teacher ratings, hosted by The Plain Dealer and the State Impact Ohio partnership.

Currently, Ohio laws governing the release of teacher records would apply to teacher value-added results. Thus, teacher level value-added information is subject to public records requests through ODE. Through The Plain Dealer and State Impact Ohio database, the general public can now access a teacher's overall composite rating derived from two years of his/her results in grades 4-8 math and reading. These data reflect information for less than 1/3 of the math and reading, grades 4-8 teachers in Ohio.

Battelle for Kids was not aware these ratings would be published in this way, at this time.

While Battelle for Kids does support the use of value-added information for school improvement and as one of several components of a multi-measures evaluation system, value-added should NOT be used in isolation to draw conclusions about a teacher's effectiveness.

Multiple data points over time from multiple perspectives are crucial because teaching and learning and the evaluation of teaching and learning are complex.

Therefore, we are NOT supportive of these ratings being publically available and discourage promoting the use of this public database.

Talking points and articles, to support your local conversations, are available on the Ohio Student Progress Portal.

http://cts.vresp.com/c/?BattelleForKids/f43a0e1b46/fb8aa9ca4e/313346eb88/sflang=en

Obviously, this is the poster child for name, blame, and shame and the antithesis of our approach to using value-added data.

Please call if you have any questions.

Thank you for all you do for Ohio's students!

-Jim and Bobby

Shame on the PD and NPR

When the Cleveland Plain Dealer and NPR decided to publish the names of 4,200 Ohio teachers and their value-added grades, their reasoning was specious and self-serving. Most of all, it is damaging to the teaching profession in Ohio.

Despite pointing out all the flaws, caveats, and controversies with the use of value-add as a means to evaluate teachers, both publications decided to go ahead and shame these 4,200 teacher anyway. The publication of teachers names and scores isn't new. It was first done by the LA Times, and was a factor in the suicide of one teacher. The LA Times findings and analysis was then discredited

The research on which the Los Angeles Times relied for its August 2010 teacher effectiveness reporting was demonstrably inadequate to support the published rankings. Using the same L.A. Unified School District data and the same methods as the Times, this study probes deeper and finds the earlier research to have serious weaknesses.

DUE DILIGENCE AND THE EVALUATION OF TEACHERS by National Education Policy Center

The Plain Dealer analysis is weaker than the LA Times, relying on just 2 years worth of data rather than 7. In fact, the Pleain Dealer and NPR stated they only published 4,200 teachers scores and not the 12,000 scores they had data for because most only had 1 years worth of data. A serious error as value-add is known to be highly unreliable and subject to massive variance.

Beyond the questionable statistical analysis, the publication of teachers names and value-added scores has been criticized by a great number of people, including corporate education reformer Bill Gates, in NYT op-ed titled "Shame Is Not the Solution"

LAST week, the New York State Court of Appeals ruled that teachers’ individual performance assessments could be made public. I have no opinion on the ruling as a matter of law, but as a harbinger of education policy in the United States, it is a big mistake.

I am a strong proponent of measuring teachers’ effectiveness, and my foundation works with many schools to help make sure that such evaluations improve the overall quality of teaching. But publicly ranking teachers by name will not help them get better at their jobs or improve student learning. On the contrary, it will make it a lot harder to implement teacher evaluation systems that work.

Gates isn't the only high profile corporate education reformer who is critical of such shaming, Wendy Knopp, CEO of Teach for America has also spoken out against the practice

Kopp is not shy about saying what she'd do differently as New York City schools chancellor. While the Bloomberg administration is fighting the United Federation of Teachers in court for the right to release to the news media individual teachers' "value added" ratings—an estimate of how effective a teacher is at improving his or her students' standardized test scores—Kopp says she finds the idea "baffling" and believes doing so would undermine trust among teachers and between teachers and administrators.

"The principals of very high performing schools would all say their No. 1 strategy is to build extraordinary teams," Kopp said. "I can't imagine it's a good organizational strategy to go publish the names of teachers and one data point about whether they are effective or not in the newspaper."

Indeed, if the editors of the Plain Dealer and NPR had read their own reporting, they would have realized the public release of this information was unsound, unfair and damaging. Let's look at the warning signs in their own reporting

...scores can vary from year to year.

Yet they relied upon only 1 years worth of data for much of their analysis, and just 2 for the teachers whose names they published.

...decided it was more important to provide information — even if flawed.

How can it be useful to the layperson to be provided with flawed information? Why would a newspaper knowingly publish flawed information?

...these scores are only a part of the criteria necessary for full and accurate evaluation of an individual teacher.

And yet they publish 4,200 teachers value-added scores based solely on value add, which at best makes up only 35% of a teachers evaluation. Lay people will not understand these scores are only a partial measurment of a teachers effectiveness, and a poor one at that.

...There are a lot of questions still about the particular formula Ohio.

Indeed, so many questions that one would best be advised to wait until those questions are answered before publically shaming teachers who were part of a pilot program being used to answer those questions.

...variables beyond a teacher’s control need to be considered in arriving at a fair and accurate formula.

Yet none of these reporters considered any of these factors in publishing teachers names, and readers will wholly miss that necassary context.

...The company that calculates value-added for Ohio says scores are most reliable with three years of data.

Again, the data is unreliable, especially with less than 3 years worth of data, yet the Plain Dealer and NRP decided they should shame teachers using just 2 years worth of data.

...Ohio’s value-added ratings do not account for the socioeconomic backgrounds of students, as they do in some other states.

How many "ineffective" teachers are really just working in depressed socioeconomic classrooms? The reporters seem not to care and publish the names anyway.

...Value-added scores are not a teacher’s full rating.

No where in the publication of these names are the teachers full ratings indicated. This again leaves lay-people and site visitors to think these flawed value-added scores are the final reflection of a teachers quality

...ratings are still something of an experiment.

How absurd is the decision to publish now seeming? Shaming people on the basis of the results of an experiement! By their very nature experiments can demonstrate something is wrong, not right.

...The details of how the scores are calculated aren’t public.

We don't even know if the value-added scores are correct and accurate, because the formula is secret. How can it be fair for the results of a secret forumla be public? Did that not rasie any alarm bells for the Plain Dealer and NPR?

...The department’s top research official, Matt Cohen, acknowledged that he can’t explain the details of exactly how Ohio’s value-added model works.

But somehow NPR listeners and Cleveland Plain Dealer readers are supposed to understand the complexities, and read the necessary context into the publication of individual teacher scores?

...StateImpact/Plain Dealer analysis of initial state data suggests.

"Initial", "Suggests". They have decided to shame teachers without properly vetting the data and their own analysis - exactly the same problem the LA Times ran into that we highlighted at the top of this article.

It doesn't take a lot of "analysis" to understand that a failing newspaper needed controversy and eyeballs and that their decision to shame teachers was made in their own economic interests and not that of the public good. In the end then, the real shame falls not on teachers who are working hard everyday often in difficult situations made worse by draconian budget cuts, endless political meddling, and student poverty - but on the editors of these 2 publications for putting their own narrow self-interest above that of Ohio's children.

It's a disgrace that they ought to make 4,200 apologies for.

Education News for 04-15-2013

State Education News

  • Common Core: More thinking, more learning (Cincinnati Enquirer)
  • Eileen Gorman likes to watch her students struggle. The eighth-grade math teacher at Glen Este Middle School in Cincinnati believes they will learn more that way…Read more…

  • Ohio 4th for parent involvement in education (Columbus Business First)
  • Ohio placed fourth in a Center for Education Reform ranking of states by several educational quality measures, the Dayton Business Journal reports.…Read more…

  • Ohio House school funding plan looked good at first, but the numbers show they’re cutting education (Akron Beacon Journal)
  • With 20 years as one of the state’s most knowledgeable education funding analysts, Howard Fleeter of the Education Tax Policy Institute in Columbus was banging his head against his spreadsheets for much of last week…Read more…

  • OHSAA looks to level the playing field (Canton Repository)
  • As he sat in the bleachers at Triway High School, Dave Rice looked at his high school’s volleyball team.…Read more…

  • Double dipping by school workers might make comeback (Columbus Dispatch)
  • After years of debate over the practice known as “double dipping,” it has all but died in central Ohio schools.…Read more…

  • Ohio University trustees to vote on 1.6% tuition hike (Columbus Dispatch)
  • Ohio University wants to raise tuition and fees for in-state undergraduate students this fall by $164 per year, to a total of $10,380, under a proposal that the board of trustees is to vote on Friday.…Read more…

  • State, school districts work to collect income taxes in face of underreporting, nonfiling (Mansfield News Journal)
  • Monday is the loathed April 15 deadline for state and federal taxes, but due dates don’t carry the same weight to scofflaws and tax evaders.…Read more…

  • A moving target for schools (Mansfield News Journal)
  • No one likes trying to hit a moving target, especially Ohio teachers and school superintendents who have faced a barrage of performance standards since No Child Left Behind was passed more than a decade ago.…Read more…

Local Education News

  • Another round of talks between school district, teachers fall through; strike enters seventh week (Cleveland Plain Dealer)
  • The teachers strike goes on. For the seventh time in six weeks, the bargaining teams for the Strongsville Education Association and the school board met at length at the behest of the federal mediator…Read more…

  • Strongsville teachers, school board teams meet in Independence for another round of negotiations (Cleveland Plain Dealer)
  • Bargaining teams for the 383 Strongsville teachers on strike since March 4 and the school board will meet in the presence of the federal mediator for the seventh time at 1:30 p.m. April 14.…Read more…

  • Unions show solidarity with striking Strongsville teachers at rally (Cleveland Plain Dealer)
  • One day longer. That was the refrain of a cross-union rally held on the Strongsville Commons April 12, as more than 300 people, including members and representatives from more than 15 unions across Northeast Ohio, gathered to show their support…Read more…

  • Strongsville school board will receive additional $3.2 million in revenue (Cleveland Plain Dealer)
  • In the last week, the school district here got a nice surprise from Cuyahoga County..…Read more…

  • For CPS board member, years of tough calls (Cincinnati Enquirer)
  • Catherine D. Ingram was appointed in October 1993 to fill a vacant seat on the Cincinnati Public Schools board of education – a position that was to be on the ballot about three weeks later.…Read more…

  • Contractor: District off on busing comparison (Columbus Dispatch)
  • Private bus contractor First Student says Columbus City Schools’ claim that it could operate 300 bus routes itself next school year and save money doing it is a stretch…Read more…

  • District hopes to increase laptop use (Cincinnati Enquirer)
  • The Forest Hills Local School District hopes to get more high school students using their laptops.…Read more…

  • Schools head into contract talks with unknowns about funding (Lima News)
  • At first glance, Waynesfield-Goshen schools Superintendent Chris Pfister is feeling much better about the Ohio House school funding proposal.…Read more…

  • Coventry High students teach physics, learn creativity with youngsters (Akron Beacon Journal)
  • Andrew Bullock hastily assembled a 12-inch tower of wooden blocks and waited for a group of elementary students to construct a wrecking tower made of Lego pieces.…Read more…

  • Next TPS chief looks to shut academic gap (Toledo Blade)
  • Romules Durant — most people call him Rom — was far from destined to be the next superintendent of Toledo Public Schools.…Read more…

  • Plain Township school stops ‘mindfulness’ program after some in community raise concerns (Akron Beacon Journal)
  • The Tibetan bell no longer tolls at Warstler Elementary in Plain Township.…Read more…

  • Applications come in for South Range open enrollment (Youngstown Vindicator)
  • The South Range Local School District is poring over 70 open- enrollment applications, hoping to bring in new students to help the district keep class sizes up and survive state budget cuts.…Read more…

  • Two women who were Head Start students return the favor to today's kids (Chillicothe Gazette)
  • Head Start, the school readiness program for children from low-income families, left an imprint on two local women that extended well beyond their own school careers.…Read more…

  • Stricken mom sees son graduate early in solo ceremony (Columbus Dispatch)
  • When the cancer returned, Darlene Schultz decided: She would see her son graduate from Hilliard Darby High School.…Read more…

  • Lima schools looking at carry-over policy (Lima News)
  • Lima City Schools will soon put a policy in place requiring the district to have a reserve fund amounting to at least 10 percent of its overall budget.…Read more…

  • Warrensville Heights cheerleading club protests school district fees (Cleveland Plain Dealer)
  • A cheerleading club for girls in this economically struggling suburb has lost its longtime practice space after the Warrensville Heights school district insisted that the group pay hundreds of dollars to use school facilities.…Read more…

  • Former Springboro booster treasurer stole $439,000 (Dayton Daily News)
  • The former treasurer of the Springboro Athletic Boosters Association admitted Thursday to stealing almost $440,000 from the group he helped found 20 years before.…Read more…

  • Kalida Elementary earns top honors (Lima News)
  • It took just one attempt for Kalida Elementary School to win an award for providing the highest quality of education to its pupils.…Read more…

  • Ashtabula Area City Schools BOE member receives Award of Achievement from state (Ashtabula Star-Beacon)
  • The Ohio School Boards Association (OSBA) annually recognizes board members for their commitment to learning and leadership with the Award of Achievement program and the Master Board Member Award.…Read more…

  • Louisville City Schools seeks emergency funds (Canton Repository)
  • Reductions will happen either way, but a levy passage in May will mean less cuts to an already strapped Louisville school system.…Read more…

  • Lorain High students plan international food tasting (Lorain Morning Journal)
  • Lorain High Schools’ culinary arts and junior achievement programs are sponsoring an international food tasting event at Lorain High to promote a cookbook developed by the students.…Read more…

  • Cuts coming to Firelands; Schools to eliminate 8 staff members, reduce hours (Lorain Morning Journal)
  • Firelands Local Schools will cut eight classified staff members and reduce hours for eight others for the 2013-14 school year.…Read more…

  • Parent asks school official to resign (Mansfield News Journal)
  • Parent Beth Diesch requested the resignation of board president Susan Shealy at Thursday’s Buckeye Central school board meeting.…Read more…

  • Fenwick students dig ‘talons’ into service work (Middletown Journal)
  • It may only take 45 minutes, but an activity by students and staff at Bishop Fenwick High School is helping to feed hundreds of homeless people.…Read more…

  • Leaders for Learning awards presented to 14 Licking County teachers (Newark Advocate)
  • The group of administrators stealthily crept down the hallway of Heritage Middle School, peeking around corners to make sure their appearance at Claire Goins’ door would be a complete surprise.…Read more…

  • City schools hosting ready fair for families (Springfield News-Sun)
  • The Springfield City School District will host its third annual “ready fair” Friday with activities and giveaways that will help parents of young children prepare for school.…Read more…

  • Presidential descendant helps mark special day at Oregon school (Toledo Blade)
  • Merrill Eisenhower Atwater drove 12 hours from Kansas City to northwest Ohio, much of it on I-70.…Read more…

  • Bedford hires its top choice for superintendent (Toledo Blade)
  • It’s official. Bedford Public Schools has a new superintendent. The Board of Education last week unanimously approved a three-year contract for Mark Kleinhans, the candidate selected as its top choice during a search this year.…Read more…

  • Scott Hunt leaving Perry Schools to become Cardinal superintendent (Willoughby News Herald)
  • Scott J. Hunt will leave Perry Schools to become Cardinal School District superintendent effective Aug. 1.…Read more…

  • Niles schools seek 2 levies (Youngstown Vindicator)
  • Two additional school levies are on the May 7 primary ballot in the city, and the school district’s superintendent says their approval is the only way to keep the red ink from getting worse.…Read more…

  • Jackson Milton English assignment grows into fundraiser for animals (Youngstown Vindicator)
  • It looked like a 3-mile run/walk with dogs, but it was really a homework assignment.…Read more…

Editorial

  • Most districts understood rules (Columbus Dispatch)
  • There is no harm in the Ohio Department of Education clarifying the rules for how and why schools may officially withdraw students from attendance rolls.…Read more…

  • When oversight slips, the taxpayers suffer: editorial (Cleveland Plain Dealer)
  • Only a U.S. District Court jury -- or Joseph Palazzo himself -- can say whether the former technology director of Cuyahoga Heights Schools is guilty of stealing $3.4 million from the district.…Read more…

  • Inadequacy 2.0 (Akron Beacon Journal)
  • The Ohio House put forward its own school-funding plan last week with the aim to rectify shortcomings in Gov. John Kasich’s “Achievement Everywhere” proposal in the biennial budget bill.…Read more…

  • Medina superintendent's too-sweet deal: editorial (Cleveland Plain Dealer)
  • Shame on the Medina City School District's Board of Education and Superintendent Randy Stepp, for the disdain they showed citizens by quietly negotiating hundreds of thousands of dollars for Stepp's bonuses and education expenses…Read more…

  • It’s worth making an exception to keep Hathorn at the helm (Youngstown Vindicator)
  • As a general rule, we are opposed to the retire/rehire policies that have grown in popularity in the public sector as government employees strive to squeeze the maximum in benefits by retiring when they become eligible.…Read more…

Education News for 11-13-2012

State Education News

  • GED test to triple in price (Columbus Dispatch)
  • Angela Surles can barely afford to buy diapers and clothes for her 1-year-old daughter. The 22-year-old single mom from the Short North quit her job at Sears to enter a six-week course to help her get her high-school equivalency certificate…Read more...

  • Groups get ready to fight for schools (Columbus Dispatch)
  • More than 15 years after the Ohio Supreme Court ruled that the way the state funds public education is unconstitutional, state leaders continue to tinker with the school funding.…Read more...

  • State Board to Vote Against Additional Funding for Pre-K, Reading Instruction (State Impact Ohio)
  • Sunday-Wednesday: School board members, administrators and friends gather in Columbus for the annual Ohio School Boards Association conference. Expect the launch of the Strong Schools Strong Communities public education advocacy coalition.…Read more...

  • Colleges need to do more to ensure students stay in school and graduate, task force says (The Plain Dealer)
  • Unless Ohio's two- and four-year public colleges ensure that every student who enrolls is able to graduate and find a job, the state will be unable to compete in a global economy…Read more...

  • Rossford schools treasurer reappointed to Ohio school retirement position (Toledo Blade)
  • James Rossler, treasurer of the Rossford schools, has been reappointed to the board of the School Employees Retirement System of Ohio.…Read more...

  • Ohio Lawmaker Wants To See Metal Detectors At Every School (WBNS-TV)
  • Knives, box cutters and screwdrivers would never clear an airport security scanner. But those items, along with guns and other weapons, could pass through the doors of most Ohio schools without detection.…Read more...

Op/Ed

  • Now let's talk about real education innovations (Cleveland Plain Dealer)
  • The Plain Dealer's coverage of blended learning provides a glimmer of hope that, now that elections are over, we will soon come to the realization that having the money follow the child is the only way to provide quality education for all children.…Read more...

Local Education News

  • Nelsonville-York teacher receives national recognition (Athens Messenger)
  • A Nelsonville-York elementary school teacher who was the first from Southeastern Ohio to receive the state’s Veterans of Foreign Wars Teacher of the Year award also received national recognition for her efforts.…Read more...

  • School board looks at cost cutting options (The Review)
  • EAST LIVERPOOL - With a five-year forecast predicting budget deficits beginning in the 2015- 2016 school year, the city's board of education this week discussed belt-tightening measures that could be implemented to cut costs.…Read more...

  • South-Western may join Central Ohio Compact (This Week News)
  • The South-Western City School District Board of Education will be considering whether the district should join the Central Ohio Compact.…Read more...

  • Rossford officially begins superintendent search (Toledo Blade)
  • The search for a new Rossford schools superintendent has begun in earnest.…Read more...

  • Ohio school awards WWII veteran posthumous diploma (WFJM)
  • AKRON, Ohio (AP) - As it marks Veterans Day, a northeast Ohio school district is awarding a posthumous diploma for a man who was drafted into the military for World War II and died in Germany in 1944.…Read more...

Education News for 10-30-2012

State Education News

  • Reynoldsburg schools attracting rave reviews (Columbus Dispatch)
  • Reynoldsburg schools long have been considered trailblazers in the state, trying new approaches to reach students. But their recent efforts — particularly with STEM…Read more...

  • Few charter schools improve on state report cards (Hamilton Journal-News)
  • Eleven area charter schools improved their ratings on the 2011-12 state report cards, while 10 slipped and 16 others stayed the same, according to the preliminary data released by the Ohio Department of Education…Read more...

  • Marion tour touts technology careers (Marion Star)
  • Jamal Richardson didn’t hesitate to volunteer when the Tri-Rivers Career Center student asked if anyone wanted to operate the robot he had just demonstrated…Read more...

  • Efforts to help preschoolers working (Middletown Journal)
  • A program that reaches out to pre-schoolers is improving students’ kindergarten readiness, according to local education officials…Read more...

Local Education News

  • Winton Woods parents upset by low state rating (Cincinnati Enquirer)
  • Dozens of parents crowded into the library of Winton Woods High School on Monday night to ask school leaders why the district was rated among the lowest in the state…Read more...

  • Cleveland schools' spending per student ranks high, but so do students' needs (Cleveland Plain Dealer)
  • The Cleveland school district spends about $15,000 per student, making it among Ohio's highest-spending districts, even as it sits at the bottom in results…Read more...

  • Cleveland schools' budget tops $1 billion, about a third not available for daily school operations (Cleveland Plain Dealer)
  • The total budget for the Cleveland school district is $1.1 billion, about $655 million of it in the general fund…Read more...

  • Anti-drug effort seeks to sober up city, schools (Columbus Dispatch)
  • Worthington has excellent schools and is envied for its charm and services. It also has a dark underside: kids getting high, a pipeline of cheap heroin…Read more...

  • Talks to replace schools audit-panel chief fizzled (Columbus Dispatch)
  • One member of the Columbus Board of Education pushed for board President Carol Perkins to step down as the head of a special auditing…Read more...

  • Positive behavior strategy seeks to lessen discipline gap (Toledo Blade)
  • In a bid to improve school climates and reduce the disparity in discipline rates between white and minority students, Toledo Public Schools…Read more...

  • Liberty schools predicts $15M debt (Warren Tribune Chronicle)
  • The Liberty Board of Education on Monday projected the school district's debt to exceed $15 million in five years…Read more...

  • Treasurers: Charters, vouchers cost us lots (Youngstown Vindicator)
  • A large amount of taxpayer money meant for public education is being siphoned off by charter schools and vouchers, local school treasurers say…Read more...